From an older batch of one of N&F's evergreen styles, these jeans were too tight for me, especially after I gained some weight. A bit of wear visible on the back pockets, but these really do stay black. Stretch does not feel super obvious even though they're supposed to be 5% elastene. Waistband measures 14.5" (29") across without pulling; if stretched tight it's 15.5" (31").